It seems the works of the Catholic Church on a social justice level and on a parish level, by putting aside traditional Catholics in favor of the Latin Mass, and in birth control and many, many ways are killling the Irish Catholic. Three of the murdered Oakland police officers today declined Catholic burials because they no longer want association with the Church. Irish Catholics have built, together with Lutherans and Baptists, many of the foundations and freedoms which are American diversity and religious freedom today. No other relgious mixes or cultures have been as supportive of all peoples. Yet, the Holy Roman Church is destroying our faith, our values (child rape) and our society (churches are now Latino). What can we do?
This is not an anti rant, it is a question. If you hate the church, other faiths or other peoples, there are better places to respond.
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The Roman Church is not anti-Irish. It is legalistic which has continually got it in trouble through the ages. The Celtic Orthodox Church is the true Irish Church of Joseph of Arimathea
1) Is the Catholic Church antiIrishCatholic?
In America I would say just the opposite.
2) and in birth control and many, many ways are killling the Irish Catholic.
How does this "kill" the Irish Catholic? And, don't you realize that all of these policies are implemented by the Roman Catholic Church *outside* of Ireland, too?
3) What can we do?
From what you have written, it seems that perhaps the KKK might be the right direction. Seriously - what is your beef? There are no Roman Catholic policies implemented that are any more anti-Irish than anti-whatever.
You mention Latin mass and birth control. Don't you realize that *all* Roman Catholics no longer have Latin Mass, and that *all* of them are taught that birth control is wrong?
I think that this *is* an "anti-rant". You seem to be unaware of Roman Catholic doctrine, and are attempting to portray yourself as an Irish-Catholic with a severe prejudice-based martyr complex. If I'm wrong, then I apologize: then, you really *are* an Irish-Catholic with a severe prejudice-based martyr complex.
Jim, http://www.bible-reviews.com/
This part of your question makes absolutely no sense at all...."Three of the murdered Oakland police officers today declined Catholic burials because they no longer want association with the Church."
The police officers were DEAD so how could THEY decline a Catholic burial? Or do you mean that their families declined it on their behalf?
One more thing..."child rape" is NOT a Catholic problem...it is a HUMAN problem. Yes, some Catholics do rape children but so do Baptists, Anglicans, Wiccans, Atheists, Presbyterians, Apostolics, Muslims, Jews, etc. And the Church does NOT teach abuse or rape so just exactly how is the Church destroying your values through this?
Your logic is faulty. Being against birth control pills, the actions of a few priests don't represent(who are not representative of any Catholic, i'm offended you would say that any Catholic would endorse such a thing), I've been around the country and have never been to a latino church (where do you get this?) and our faith? Roman Catholics are universal there's no such thing as the "Irish and non-Irish"
Catholicism is "universal" the beliefs can't be "split" like other protestant denominations, its origins are apostolic, lead by bishops who make decisions (i.e. Vatican II). The teachings are slow to change so as to preserve teachings that have been brought down, as for other social issues, I feel the Church is on the right footing; against war, abortion, death penalty, ect...
Of course not -- the Oakland PD wanted a huge public burial -- which they got. They all had private ceremonies prior to today's big press ceremony.
They didn't deny the Catholic Faith -- and furthermore -- Oakland is not known as a "Catholic" area.
The more I think of it the more idiotic your question seems -- we are a WORLD WIDE CHURCH, we cannot possibly be anti -IRISH CATHOLIC. Goodnight what a dumb question.
I am catholic and I don't think the catholic church is destroying your values.. you have to know the majority of americans are evangelics.
You missed a sentence in there somewhere.
it is not the church, it is the people.
No, I don't think so.